Friday, October 3, 2008

Political Feelings, Big and Small

You know, the thing about politics is that they are so political.

I know. Can you believe it? We get done with the whole church conversation and I bring up politics! I can't help it! There was a debate last night and a little something else happened at Bible Study that I'm really interested in discussing.

Both Midnight Cafe and I attend the same women's Bible Study every Wednesday morning. Now before you go picturing us sitting around in a circle, our heads bowed reverently with a bunch of gray-haired ladies, I want to say that our little group of women is totally cool. I love them. They're good people. We drink coffee and eat naughty things and then learn a little something from a little known lady named Beth Moore.

Anyway. A couple of Wednesdays ago, a political discussion reared it's ugly head in an otherwise mild conversation. I overheard parts of it and had to ask Midnight Cafe about what was said afterward, because she was sitting with the women who were discussing liberals and conservatives.

Now. Midnight Cafe may have to correct me if I get any of this wrong, but in short, someone was offended by the term "conservative right," or "religious right." They then said that it's a slur and that liberal people are also offended by the term, "liberal left." I was a bit confused by that alone. I guess if I feel strongly one way or the other, left or right, I might even consider it a compliment to be labeled as such. But an unheated argument came after these remarks, questions being asked and a bit of a non-conclusion resulted. Since that's how it goes with politics.

But then the thing that got me the most was one woman's response to being conservative herself. She said, and I paraphrase, that Jesus would be considered a conservative...a conservative falling very hard to the right. Someone asked a question and the response was "well, He drew a line in the sand."

Then Midnight Cafe could be heard saying, "I have really big feelings about this." Which gave me a chuckle.

I don't claim to have a clue what Jesus really thinks about Republicans. Or Democrats for that matter. I do know what He preached about justice, mercy and service to the poor. But I won't pretend that these beliefs answer all the questions.

I'm just curious. What do you think Jesus was saying by "drawing a line in the sand?" And does it make him part of the religious right of today? A lot of people think so. I admit that I do not. But I'm always willing to see another's point of view and try hard to understand. Do you have big feelings about this? Or are you just plain tired of the whole conversation?


LisAway said...

I think it's silly to decide what party Christ would have belonged to. I definitely think there are arguments on both sides for Christ-like values, but I really don't think religion needs to come into it. If people feel that what their religion teaches them makes it obvious TO THEM that they should vote a certain way, more power to them, but I don't think Jesus would have us arguing over which is his political party (and should therefore be ours). Come on.

Heather of the EO said...

I agree with you Lisa. My post wasn't really a call to decide which party Christ would belong to. I thought it was really interesting that the lady at Bible study thought she could do that. What's interesting to think over for me is the idea that a lot of conservative people have that Jesus would be a conservative. THere are people that are VERY sure of that. I have often wondered why. Since there are beautiful aspects to both sides of the issues that align themselves with biblical teaching. I hope that makes sense. :)

MidnightCafe said...

I still have really big feelings about this. ;) You got the conversation basically right...except the part where I replied that drawing a line (or having boundaries or morals & values) is not something only conservatives do. My big feelings have a lot to do with the idea that only conservatives have values. As a Christ-follower and a political liberal, I take issue with that.

MidnightCafe said...

Oh, and I love your description of our Bible study group. We totally rock!

Heather of the EO said...

Oh, the 'drawing a line' thing was what I thought *the other person* said. She was saying that Jesus drew a line in the sand, and I still don't know what she even meant by that? Can you shed some light for me?
Maybe you'll have to do it in post form, but either way, I still don't understand what she was saying?

Because it seemed as if she was saying "yes, Jesus would be a conservative because He did draw a line in the sand." And I honestly don't even know what that could mean. Even if that paints me as ignorant, I still want to understand where she was coming from...

:) Thank you for putting up with the political discussion,

T and T Livesay said...

The question is -
WHAT did Jesus use to draw the line in the sand?

I think if we can find that out - we might come to understand more about His political leanings as well.

Obviously - I am late to this party - I forget about this other blog of yours.

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